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In this profoundly powerful episode, Ashley welcomes national bestselling author and Midnight Mom Devotional founder Becky Thompson back to the podcast to talk about her newest book, Healing Rest. Together, they share an unforgettable conversation about rest for the weary, peace for the anxious, and the healing presence of Jesus for grieving hearts.

What begins as an interview soon becomes a Spirit-led encounter with God’s tender presence. Becky invites listeners into the “closet” of vulnerability and surrender—the safe place where we meet Jesus, fall apart in His arms, and find the rest our souls are desperately craving. Through stories, Scripture, prayer, and Holy Spirit-led moments of pause, this episode offers more than just words—it offers sacred space to be held by the One who knows your pain and never leaves your side.

Whether you are overwhelmed by grief, carrying the weight of trauma, or longing for peace in the midst of chaos, this episode is a gentle invitation to experience healing rest in the arms of Jesus.

In this episode, we discussed:

• Becky’s inspiration for writing Healing Rest and how it builds upon her previous book Peace
• Why grief reveals the world isn’t safe—and how we can still rest in the safety of Jesus’ presence
• The “closet moment”: where we break down, cry, surrender, and are tenderly met by the Comforter
• The difference between pushing through and truly surrendering what we carry
• What it means to be safely held, even in a broken world
• A Spirit-led, guided invitation to closet time with Jesus—including a real-time prayer experience
• Practical steps for slowing down, calming a dysregulated nervous system, and finding rest for your body, mind, and soul
• The importance of reading God’s Word as a place to encounter His presence, not just gain knowledge
• Healing from trauma and grief by asking Jesus where He was in your story
• The eternal perspective: what it means to be held by the same arms that cradle your baby in Heaven

This is not just an episode to listen to—it’s one to experience. A holy moment to sit still, breathe deep, and let Jesus meet you right where you are. If your heart is heavy, come and find rest. If your soul is weary, let Him hold you. You are safely held. You are deeply loved. And you are cradled in hope.

Full transcript below.

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MEET OUR GUEST

Becky is a national bestselling author and the creator of the Midnight Mom Devotional community, gathering 2 million moms in nightly prayer. She is the author of nine books including Peace and God So Close.

Becky lives in Oklahoma with her husband, Jared, and their three children. She has two precious babies in Heaven, Kaylin Joy, and Baby Thompson.

Connect with Becky:
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www.beckythompson.com

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Episode 63 |

Ashley Opliger: [00:00:00] You’re listening to the Cradled in Hope Podcast. I’m your host, Ashley Opliger. I’m a wife, mom, and follower of Christ who founded Bridget’s Cradles, a ministry in memory of my daughter, Bridget, who was stillborn at 24 weeks. Our nonprofit donates knit and crocheted cradles to hospitals in all fifty states to hold babies born into Heaven.

I’m also the author of the book Cradled in Hope, a biblical guide for moms grieving miscarriage, stillbirth, or infant loss. This podcast shares the same name—and the same heart—as the book: to help you find the comfort, compassion, and healing of Jesus in the midst of deep sorrow.

Rooted in the hope of the Gospel, this podcast is a sacred space for your broken heart to land. Here, we are going to trust God’s promise to heal our hearts, restore our joy, and use our grief for good. With faith in Jesus and eyes fixed on Heaven, we do not have to grieve without hope. We believe that Jesus cradles us in hope while He cradles our babies in Heaven. 

Welcome to the Cradled in Hope Podcast.

Ashley Opliger: [00:01:03] Welcome back to the Cradled in Hope Podcast. Today I’m honored to welcome Becky Thompson, national bestselling author and creator of the Midnight Mom Devotional community, where over 2 million moms gather nightly in prayer. 

[00:01:15] Becky has written 10 books, including Peace and her newest, Healing Rest, which we’re going to talk about today. She lives in Oklahoma with her husband, Jared, and their three children, and she is also the momma of two precious babies in Heaven, Kaylin Joy, and Baby Thompson. Becky has joined us before. If you’ve missed it, go back and listen to Episode 36. We’ve linked it in the show notes. 

Today we talk about moving from anxiety to peace, finding healing rest in Jesus through closet time, caring for body, mind, and spirit, and practical rhythms to calm a dysregulated nervous system.

[00:01:51] This episode is a tender invitation to let the Lord carry your grief. I can’t wait for you to hear our conversation. Let’s dive in. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:02:01] Welcome back to the Cradled in Hope Podcast, Becky, we’re so glad to have you back.

Becky Thompson: [00:02:05] I’m so excited to be with you, Ashley. Thanks again for the invitation.

Ashley Opliger: [00:02:08] Yes. You have been on our podcast before, and you shared your sweet daughter Kaylin Joy’s story with us. And I would encourage all of our moms to go back and really get to hear her story and testimony of walking with the Lord through miscarriage and what that looked like in her grieving and healing journey. 

But today we are really going to focus on some content from her new book, Healing Rest, which has been such a blessing to me in my season of grief after losing my dad. 

And there’s just so much wisdom that you share through your journey of not only loss, but trauma and all the things that you’ve walked through in your life. And so I would love for you to introduce yourself and then share the inspiration of writing that book.

Becky Thompson: [00:02:53] Well, I’m Becky Thompson, been married to my husband, Jared for almost 20 years, 20 years next year. We’ve got three kids, and I have two teenagers and a preteen. And it’s been a long time since I began the journey of ministry and motherhood and figured out how it all fit together; began as a blogger, created a few online communities, and today my mom and I run the Midnight Mom Devotional ministry, where over 2 million moms gather in nightly prayer.

[00:03:23] I’ve written 10 books in 10 years, and I travel and I speak across the country to different women in different seasons of life. And so, where motherhood is a huge part of my story, I speak to wherever the Lord sends me to speak to women. And that’s the heart of what I do. 

[00:03:37] And my newest book is Healing Rest. The last time I was on your show, we shared about my book, Peace: Hope and Healing for the Anxious Mama’s Heart. And it was my journey out of what I called the Forest of Fear, and how the Lord had given me this vision of this woman, and she was alone. It was like she had been kidnapped and dropped off in the middle of a dark forest at night.

[00:03:58] And the Lord spoke to my heart and said, “We’re going to lead her out together.” And I began to realize that if I’m leading this woman out of her season of anxiety, then that means the Lord has an answer for my season of anxiety. 

And I love what you do, Ashley, because I feel like you have not only honored Bridget’s story, but you’ve honored the testimony that you share together, which is that you are safely held, both of you, in this moment, by a good God who loves you and promises to never leave you.

[00:04:27] And when I went back and began to share the story of that season that I was in of anxiety and overwhelm, and I wrote it down in this book, it came out in September of 2020. And I smile as I say that, and I find joy as I say that because it was written before the world fell apart. It was written before we were all in that deep anxious season of uncertainty and insecurity and wondering and real fear.

[00:04:52] But the Lord saw that season coming and had me begin to prepare for it and had me begin to write this journey out for these women. And I encourage the listener now: Go find that episode, listen to it, and then even listen to this as a Part Two, because when the Lord put my newest book on my heart, Healing Rest, it’s an invitation for mommas to rest in the arms of the only One who can hold it all, an invitation for mommas who carry so much. 

And that’s not just people, that’s not just the groceries from the car to the house in one tri, that’s carry the burdens of their own story, carry the weight of what they’ve been through, carry the expectations and the obligations along with the people and the groceries and the mental checklists, and it’s so much.

[00:05:39] And when I began to write Healing Rest, it really is a Part Two to the book Peace. It’s the extension of, “Okay, if I’m invited by the Lord to experience His peace, even in a world that isn’t safe, how do I do that? How do I actually lean in to the arms of Jesus? I know He meets me as I go through this season and out the other side, no matter how long that season is, whether it’s like a year or a decade, but how do I actually find rest in the arms of Jesus when I know how unsafe the world is?”

[00:06:17] And so the original title of Healing Rest was going to be Safe(ly Held). And it was going to be Safe, the word ‘safe’ in the middle, and then parentheses (ly Held), because we all want that safety. But are we willing to let the safety of His arms be enough when the world is obviously everything but okay a lot of the time.

[00:06:42] And so I think it’s a great follow-up. I think our conversation today is going to be really powerful. I know that’s a little bit longer introduction than you were probably hoping for, but I think it meets you, listener, right where you are in this moment, which is with the arms of Jesus wrapped around you, whether or not you can feel Him there, holding you safely in His arms even as He holds every little one that’s no longer in ours. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:07:08] Well, I love it, Becky, and everything you said, I’m just
“amen”-ing over here. First of all, when you were talking about safety, I think for any of us women who have gone through something traumatic like losing a baby, whenever you walk through something like that, it is that realization of, “This world is not safe. Things happen that are outside of our control.”

And I know for me, I have really struggled when I can’t control things. And that is part of what makes the world feel so unsafe, is that we can’t control or predict everything that’s going to happen because we’re not God.

[00:07:41] And so I love that the invitation is to put our trust in the Lord’s safety because no matter what happens on this earth, whatever trials we walk through, we are safe because we have a hope-filled future with Him and because He carries us through our grief. 

[00:07:56] And so I know I texted you when I was reading Healing Rest because it was ministering to my heart. And I told you, I just love your writing style. I love that you are so vulnerable and real. And one of the moments that really spoke to me was when you were talking about crying in your closet.

And it just so resonated with me because I cry in my closet, and that’s always been a safe place for me to break down and get down on my knees and lay in the fetal position and just cry so hard that I have no tears left. And it was so encouraging for me to hear just your realness and your honesty in that moment. 

[00:08:34] And so I’d like to start us off with the closet moment because I think when we have this conversation, being open to just giving ourselves permission to feel and to cry and to bring our pain and trauma to the Lord is the first step.

Becky Thompson: [00:08:51] Yes. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:08:51] And then there’s all of these other things that you’ve written about. And so would you talk about that moment and how we can, as grieving moms, give ourselves permission to lay it all at the feet of Jesus and to lament.

Becky Thompson: [00:09:03] Yeah. I am a big fan of closet time, of finding a quiet place that’s just yours, surrounded by clothes that will capture all of the noise, and even just the dark, quiet closet.

[00:09:20] I don’t even need a light on. Listen, there are women that have prayer closets. They’ve got marching orders. They’ve got people they’re praying for, they’ve got pictures plastered in their closets. Mine’s like a cave. Mine’s like a secret place. This is not like where the Warrior Prayer Woman finds her strength.

[00:09:40] It’s where I find myself hidden in the shadow of His wings, and I just tuck in and say, “It’s all too much out there, Jesus. It’s just too much out there.” And I run to Him. I run to that quiet place and I let Him just hold me. 

[00:09:55] There’s been different seasons where the closet has been more important than others. There’s times where months go by, and I don’t need the closet like I needed the quiet closet before. 

But then there have been other seasons where my kids are like, “Where’s mom? Oh, she’s in the closet.” But I have no shame in that. I think that would be sad or embarrassing if I didn’t understand what’s actually happening in that closet, because the closet isn’t where I go to give up, like I can’t and I won’t move on. The closet is where I go to surrender, and there’s a difference. 

And when I go to this place, just honestly on the floor by shoes that are dirty and the dirty hampers that are on one side and the clean clothes that are on the other, and I just sit there, and I say, “Lord. everything is distracting and everything is loud, and everything is demanding my attention, and so I need You to hold me. I need You to meet me here. I need You to do something in my heart that shifts my heart out of this moment before my situation changes at all,” and give myself permission to feel that way, permission to not just feel that way and push through, permission to not just feel that way and say, “Okay, but the dinner has to get cooked and all the things have to get … “

[00:11:15] Yes, and you will eventually get up off the floor. You will eventually go do the things that you need to do. But those five, 10, 15 minutes of being still in the presence of the Lord and saying, “I have to give this all over to You,” not metaphorically, but stop being cliche about needing rest in Jesus. 

It’s not cliche to say, “I’ve reached my breaking point. I have to go hide for a minute.” The Lord isn’t afraid of your hiding. He just wants you to hide the right way. He wants you to not hide in your busyness, hide away from how you actually feel, but acknowledge how you actually feel and then turn toward Him and hide in Him, pressing your heart to His chest, pressing your ear to His heartbeat, and reminding yourself that you have a very real God of your story, who gave His life so that you didn’t have to push through the feelings that are too heavy. 

We have a God who’s suffered in every way that we ever will suffer and has understood everything that we will ever be tempted with, and He meets us in these moments.

[00:12:19] And so I love the closet because I love what it represents in my life. I love the closet because it’s where the Lord meets me undistracted, and I love it because the Lord isn’t afraid of it, and I don’t need to be embarrassed of it. And I wish more moms understood the power of not pushing through, the power of surrender, and the power of resting in His arms.

Ashley Opliger: [00:12:43] It’s the come-as-you-are closet. 

Becky Thompson: [00:12:46] That’s it. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:12:46] Just authentically yourself. Bring your whole heart, all of your emotions, everything to Jesus, and He welcomes you in that closet or wherever it may be for you, just as you are. 

And I love that you said, “acknowledging and recognizing the emotion.” Through counseling, I have realized even the research behind naming the emotion, because a lot of times, as you said, we will just push through. 

Before we name it and then allow ourselves to feel it, we’ll be like, “Ooh,” we don’t like that, “that doesn’t feel good.” And so for me, my thing is stay busy, stay distracted. I can even drown myself in good things, ministry, and whatnot. I’m sure you’re the same way.

[00:13:27] And so it’s like, “But no, the Lord has healing for me and He’s bringing this up so He can continue to peel back the layers and heal my heart, but I have to bring my heart to Him,” and so whatever that looks like, wherever that looks like for you, if you’re listening to this, finding that safe hiding place where you can surrender, as Becky said. 

And so, Becky, what would you say to the mom who’s like, “I resonate with this, and I know I need some closet time with Jesus,” but they just feel so exhausted, and they feel so maybe even angry with God? Or they feel numb with the loss that they’ve walked through, and they’re just like, “I don’t know even how to surrender or how to get to this place where I can bring it all to Jesus.” What would you say to that woman?

Becky Thompson: [00:14:13] I think sometimes when we add a moment like this to our to-do list, we expect that we are the ones that are doing something in that moment. And if there is a mom listening right now, and I just want to speak to the mom that’s trying to accomplish whatever she’s trying to accomplish through this moment.

[00:14:32] Here’s the deal. You know you need Jesus to do something supernatural in your story, in your heart, in your moment right now. You know you need Jesus to bring the comfort, or to bring the reassurance, or to bring the peace you desperately crave. You need Him to strengthen you. You have a very specific need.

[00:14:51] The steps are really clear. You come to Jesus, and then you ask Him to do something supernatural. And you surrender your desire to be the one that makes that supernatural thing happen.

I can’t come to Jesus, and then, there’s not a form that I follow of, “Okay, first I close my eyes, I bow my head, I fold my hands, I review my whole …”

[00:15:14] You just come to the Lord, and you invite His presence to come, and then you expect that He’s going to show up. You don’t have to squeeze your eyes tighter. You just have to invite the presence of Jesus to come. I wish that I could formulate the presence of God for you, but there are some stories even in Scripture where the Lord met people privately.

[00:15:40] I think of the time when He went to Zacchaeus’ house, and He met with Zacchaeus, and all we know is that He went to this guy’s house who was trying to see the Lord. This man, he was a tax collector, hated by many, but the Lord called him out. He’s the one that climbed the tree to see Jesus. And Jesus says, “Hey Zach, I’m coming to your house today.”

[00:16:00] And then Jesus meets with him. And then the end result of this is that Zacchaeus is like, “I’m going to return what I took from people. I’m going to pay back. I’m going to give my life to you, Lord Jesus.” But we don’t see what happened inside the house. We don’t hear the conversation. The Bible doesn’t record those details.

[00:16:19] And I think, I’ve heard other pastors teach on this as well, that there are some sometimes like this, that the Bible doesn’t include the details, because I think we would believe that we could formulate it or turn it into a formula that could be replicated when the truth of the invitation is that Jesus says, “I want to come close to you. I want to be with you.”

And doing nothing in the presence of the Lord other than tell Him how you feel and pause to listen for His response, that is the only formula I can offer a mom that says, “I want something to happen. I need something from Jesus. Tell me what to do.” 

[00:17:00] You get in the closet, you put your heart … Man! Here, do you want a formula? I’ll make it. You go to Jesus, you open your hands. You need me to walk you through it. I’ll walk you through it. Put the podcast on. Take your phone with you to the closet. Here we go. We’re going to go in there together. You ready? Ashley? Let’s go. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:17:17] Let’s go to the closet. 

Becky Thompson: [00:17:17] We’re going to the closet, girl.

[00:17:18] Okay. Take your phone if you can. If you’re listening in the car, come back and finish it when you can or take notes. So we’re going to go into the closet, and we’re just going to sit here in the presence of Jesus for a minute. I mean it. Let’s just go through this moment together. Let’s not talk about the moment, listener. Let’s do this together. 

[00:17:34] Take a deep breath. And now take a second to find that feeling. What is it? Are you mad? Are you hurt? Are you disappointed? Are you broken? Are you all of it? Are you everything all at once? I want you to know that in this moment right here, the idea of Jesus is good, but the presence of Jesus is better.

And the presence of Jesus is here to meet with you right now as you drive your car, as you do the dishes, as you are sitting in that closet, however you’ve chosen to go through this moment, the presence of Jesus has come, the same presence that was stretched out on a cross so you didn’t have to go through this season by yourself. 

He extended His arms on the cross, paying for our sin and the things that separate us from God, so that today as you listen to this podcast, which has turned into no ordinary podcast, the presence of Jesus could come and wrap you up.

[00:18:31] And in this moment right here, tell Him exactly how you feel. And if you can’t find it because you feel so numb, listener. I ask that you would ask Him to touch your heart right now, just to put His hand right up against your heart and help you feel again. 

[00:18:50] And you don’t have to be afraid of a moment like this with Jesus because He is not disappointed in you. He’s not angry with you. He’s not annoyed with you, that you still feel this way about what you’re going through. 

The Word of God is very clear about Jesus, and it says that He’s close to the broken-hearted and He binds up all of our wounds. He heals all of our wounds, and that’s physical and emotional and spiritual, and that the Spirit of God, He’s called the Comforter, 

[00:19:15] And we only know God in this way, as Comforter, when we need His comfort. We won’t get to know the Lord as Comforter in Heaven. 

Isn’t that wild that there are some things about God that we only learn here on earth? Because in Heaven we won’t need His comfort; we’ll experience the fullness of joy, and there’ll be no more tears. But here on earth, He gives us the gift of His perfect presence to comfort us in moments like this. 

[00:19:42] And so the formula is to get still in the presence of the Lord and invite Jesus to come and let Him minister to your heart as you pour out yours to Him. See, as you pour out your heart to Jesus, He pours His Spirit into you in response, He pours His love, He pours His peace.

[00:20:02] I say all the time that Jesus doesn’t come in and just only bring what you happen to need in that moment. But He comes, and He brings His full presence every time He shows up. He doesn’t leave the peace or the strength or the rest or whatever in His other pant pocket when He shows up. No, when He shows up, He brings the fullness of everything that He is.

[00:20:21] And so today, if you’re feeling all the feelings and you’re feeling like it’s too much and like you just need rest, just stay here in this space for a minute. Pause the episode right here, pause it, and I’ll even let Ashley have to say something about it later if she wants to. But turn on worship music for a second and just let the Lord meet you right here.

[00:20:41] Our conversation’s going to continue. There’s going to be good truth that we’re going to talk about here. Ashley’s got great questions. I hope the Holy Spirit helps me share more of what He wants to say to you. But before we go on with this conversation, speaking to this moment, in this moment, speaking to this woman dealing with grief in this moment, I just want to pray, if that’s okay, Ashley?

Ashley Opliger: [00:21:03] Yes, of course.

Becky Thompson: [00:21:04]

Holy Spirit, we thank You that You reveal Jesus to us. That’s Your job. You reveal what Jesus has done. You reveal that He is Savior, He is victor. He is triumphant. And someday, when all of our tears are wiped away, and we reach Heaven in its perfection, we’ll know Him perfectly and fully. But right here, thank You, Holy Spirit, for revealing Jesus as the Prince of Peace to us.

[00:21:34] We need Him to be peace here on earth. We need Him to be our strength because we’re in bodies that wear out and need rest. We need Him to be our hope because we feel sometimes like our hope has been deferred and set aside. We need Him to be our joy because we go through deep grief. We need Him to be our Comforter because we go through deep grief. So, Holy Spirit, I thank You that You’re revealing the presence of Jesus to us. 

Jesus, we’re sorry. We’re sorry that we’ve tried to do it all in our own strength. We’re sorry that we tried to be our own gods and fix it on our own strength. We’re sorry that we thought we could keep pressing through when Your Word so clearly tells us to run to Your presence and let You be God and be sufficient, more than enough for all that we’re going to face.

[00:22:23] Jesus, forgive us for all the ways that we have sinned against You by doing our best. We did our best, and it still wasn’t enough. But Lord, You don’t fault us for this. You knew that it wouldn’t be enough, so You came for us. 

So, Lord, we lay it here before we go on, before we have any other conversation about anything else, and we ask You to do a heart work within us, a deep work within us.

[00:22:48] Father, I ask that You’d silence every lie of the enemy tormenting her. I pray right now that everything that would try to keep her in bondage to the pain of this moment, that those chains would break so that even the pain does not become a trap to her, God, Lord, help her move forward, the stages of healing that You have for her.

[00:23:09] You are like a balm. God, Your presence is like a balm to our achy hearts. And I pray right now for the momma who’s tried to be so strong, who’s tried to do all of it on her own, who sees now that it’s only ever been You who’s been enough, that You’ve let the weight of that perfection that she’s carried just melt like wax in Your presence. 

And help her find strength in You and hope in You and joy in You. And help her run fully the race ahead of her because she’s no longer held back by what was never hers to carry. Please bring healing as only You can, and please comfort as only You can. In Jesus’ Name we pray. Amen.

Ashley Opliger: [00:23:54] Amen. Becky, that was the first time ever on the podcast that I forgot that I was hosting a podcast. I just sat here with my palms up and my eyes closed, and I just felt the Holy Spirit. I’ve felt the Holy Spirit, of course, in all of our podcast episodes, but for this moment, I sat here and imagined myself in the closet, just you ushering us into the presence of Jesus.

And all I could think about was all of our moms listening, that is what we need. We need Jesus. We need rest, but we need rest in Jesus.

Becky Thompson: [00:24:28] That’s it.

Ashley Opliger: [00:24:28] He is the only one that can heal our hearts. 

Becky Thompson: [00:24:31] That’s it. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:23:54] And I just kept thinking about how there’s so many women who may feel like they’re not seen in the closet, that Jesus isn’t really going to be there, that, you know, when you go through loss and trials, there’s sometimes a stance and an incorrect perspective of Jesus, as if He’s left us or He must not love us. But the opposite is true. He desires to be in the closet with us, and He sees us and every single tear that is shed privately, and you don’t think anyone sees you in there, He is collecting all of those and will wipe all of those away.

Becky Thompson: [00:25:10] Yeah.

Ashley Opliger: [00:25:11] And so for every mom who is listening, I pray if you were driving in the car, you were doing the dishes while you were listening to that, please go back. Schedule some time to go in the closet. And if your closet is not the ideal situation for, it’s not a walk-in closet, wherever it is for you, find that meeting place back, rewind, and just let Becky’s words usher you into the presence of Jesus, because as she said, He is the Healer of our hearts. He is the Comforter who is going to walk us through this journey. 

[00:25:44] And it is going to be moments like that, continual moments in the closet and throughout our days, and it might not be in the closet. I mean, I can even think of moments this week where I was laying in bed, and I was drifting off to sleep, and all I could muster in my head was just, “Jesus. I’m so sad. I’m so sad,” naming that, “I feel this. Will You meet me here? Will You hold my heart?” And I think there’s something beautiful about just being honest with God, who already knows what we’re feeling and what we’re walking through. 

And so I just love that, Becky. Thank you for letting the Holy Spirit speak through you and just encouraging women to meet with Him, because He is the One that’s going to heal us.

[00:26:26] And so as you said, we do have a few more questions to walk through. 

Becky Thompson: [00:26:32] Yeah. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:26:32] But I think the most important thing about this episode is that closet time with Jesus, because our words are few and only can do so much, only have so much power behind them. But the power that we have is in pointing you to the One who actually has the power to heal our hearts.

Becky Thompson:[00:26:49] That’s it. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:26:49] So, Becky, I don’t even know where to go from here. 

Becky Thompson:[00:26:53] I think it’s …

Ashley Opliger: [00:26:53] I’m just so touched. Thank you. It ministered to me, and I know that it ministered to so many women. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:27:01] We hope you’re finding encouragement in this episode so far. We want to take a moment to share some resources our ministry offers to support grieving moms like you.

On our website, bridgetscradles.com, you’ll learn more about our nonprofit and find many hope-filled resources, including free e-books to help you plan a memorial or funeral service for your baby, meaningful ways to honor your baby in your heart and home, and gentle guidance for navigating difficult days like due dates, Heaven Days, and holidays.

We invite you to join our community of grieving moms through our Christ-centered support groups, offered both in-person at our headquarters near Wichita, Kansas, and virtually through Hope Online. These gatherings provide a place to find comfort, connection, and biblical hope alongside other moms who understand your pain.

You can view upcoming dates and sign up on our website. While you’re there, we’d also be honored for you to share your baby’s story with us.

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Now, let’s get back to the episode.

Ashley Opliger: [00:28:21] But I think one of the questions that I want to ask you is just about the body, mind, and soul that you talk about. And you actually have chapters for each, because each one is unique, that God has made us with these three parts.

[00:28:36] And I talk about that in my book as well. And so in grief, we’re exhausted physically. And so our bodies need physical rest, like a nap, but there’s also other types of rest. And so will you summarize those three chapters for us, but also talk about, in your body, the dysregulated nervous system and how that plays a role in grief and walking this journey with God.

Becky Thompson: [00:28:58] That’s exactly it. You are a spirit. You live in a body, and you possess a soul. And your soul is like your mind, your will, your emotions. And so this is the best understanding of how we are three in one, kind of mirroring how God is three in one. 

[00:29:12] Now our parts don’t line up with His, so I’m not saying there’s one part of us that’s like the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. I’m just saying He’s a-

Ashley Opliger: [00:29:19] We’re tripartite.

Becky Thompson: [00:29:20] Yes. He is a triune being, and we are also three in one, in that we are body, soul, and spirit. 

So, as a spirit, this is where we started. We started by addressing the spiritual reality of Jesus being the rest that we need. And so as we even prayed here in our conversation and created this moment, let the Holy Spirit meet us, that is the most important part that we need to experience rest.

We need rest in our spirits as we lean into the Lord and expect Him to do supernatural healing work within us. We can’t have a spirit that is restless and not finding its security, its assurance, its peace in the Lord, and expect that we’re going to have bodies that are rested.

[00:30:11] And this is where I’m going to tangent off for just a second and grab some ladies, because you can read all of the books about rest that the world has to offer, meaning written by people who don’t see Jesus as the Sustainer of our souls, as the answer to every question we’ll ever ask. Like a kid in Sunday school, what’s the answer? It’s always Jesus, but not ironically. The answer to every issue we’ll ever face is Jesus.

[00:30:37] But if you’re looking for rest just for your body, you won’t find it. You won’t find it because your body is just the home for your spirit. And if your spirit isn’t at rest, your body will never be at rest.

[00:30:51] You’ll look for it, you’ll find it. You might find ways, like you said, to nap, or things that you can do to aid in helping this physical shell that you abide in feel better. But if your spirit isn’t at rest, then all of the naps, all of the vacations, all of the supplements, all of those things, it will never be enough.

[00:31:13] It will never be enough. Now, that doesn’t mean that we should ignore the rest that our bodies need, because we can actually impact how our spirits feel by neglecting the temple that the Holy Spirit resides in, which is our body. So we have to do the things: sleep, eat well, pause, sit down, look at the sky, touch grass. You know, do all of these things that are so important. 

We need to not rush. We need to let our bodies understand, our actual bodies that are sending signals all the time, and our brains sending signals. And this whole system and our body, called the nervous system, divided into two very important parts, the Parasympathetic Nervous System and the Sympathetic Nervous System, 

It’s all in the book. They can go read it. They don’t need to spend their time paying attention to it. The point is, you’ve got a real system in your body that’s always looking for danger. It’s always deciding if you’re safe or not safe based on what you perceive in the world around you.

[00:32:14] And when you go through a trauma or when you’re in grief, your body and your brain are going, “I’m not safe.” And so you become hyper-aware and your brain might shift you into a survival mode, where instead of being able to be creative and think things through clearly, you are actually working on just this need to feel like you’re going to be okay when you walk into the next room, and nothing is going to attack you.

[00:32:39] So this is where we have to do very practical things. Let’s go through them, Ashley. You have to walk slower, actually slow down. I want you to think about this right now, listener. How tense is your jaw? How clenched are your teeth? How tight are your shoulders? How furrowed is your brow? 

And just think about how your body is responding in this moment to stress, overwhelm, grief, anxiety, all of these big feelings that are saying, “Hold tight, pull in close. You’re not safe. Be ready to run or hide. These are your options.”

[00:33:07] And so you go, “Oh, okay. I’m feeling not okay.” So we take the deep breaths that actually matter and actually send the signals to our brain that’s like, “Hey, I think we might be okay,” even if our heart doesn’t feel okay yet. “Okay, we’re going to try, we’re going to take some deep breaths.” 

And then instead of scrubbing the snot out of that dish as hard and as fast as you can, because you’ve got something else you’ve got to get to, you just relax and slow your hands, and you do all the things that you do, but maybe you don’t grip the steering wheel so tight. Maybe you don’t rush through the day. Maybe you just notice the pace and the posture of your body. 

[00:33:46] So for me, physical rest and choosing to invite the Lord into how you move throughout the day, physically, that matters. Taking the naps, walking, moving your body, drinking your water, all those things, eating well, they all matter. 

And there are great books that focus all on that, and I’ll let all those people that think they know the best on all that to think they know the best on all that. You can find a blog. You can Google it, it’s all in there. Or you can read the book, it’s in Healing Rest. There’s a whole chapter on it.

[00:34:16] But man, my favorite part is once you get that heart settled, set on Jesus, and you let Him set the pace and you invite Him into the practical stuff and you let the Holy Spirit say, “Nap girl, you’re exhausted,” you let the Holy Spirit say, “Call that person because they actually want to help you and they don’t know how. They don’t know how to show up for you right now. So call them, and they can come physically take this load off that you’re carrying on your own,” man, that matters too. 

[00:34:44] And so those are the two spirit and body areas where we need to focus on. Like, “Okay, I can’t carry it all. I can’t do it all. I have to slow down. My body feels like it’s under attack.” 

But also it’s connected to our minds. And our minds loop, and our minds have neural pathways. And the neural pathways are the, just think of them like a highway, listener. It’s like a highway that your thoughts travel down, and the more you think the thought, the easier it is for you to think that thought again, the stronger the road grows. It goes from being a dirt road to a gravel road and from a gravel road to a paved road, from a paved road to a two-lane road, and a two-lane road to a highway, girl.

[00:35:24] And that thought that you’re looping in your head as you’re trying to find even an answer, I’ve done that. I bet you have too, where you have this idea and you’re like, “No, I need to figure this out. I need to figure out how I got here. I need to figure out what happened. I need to fix it in my mind, I need to replay. I need to rehearse. I need to go over and over again.”

And before we realize it, our minds are on a loop. They’re on a track, and we can’t get off of it. And we don’t know how to think new thoughts because this is just the track.

[00:35:51] This is just the track. I hit play, and I loo,p and I loop. But the Lord tells us that He has rest for our minds. He has actual rest for our thoughts. And this is why listener, you have to get … 

I’m going to tell you have to do something, and I hope you don’t have Oppositional Defiant Disorder, which means when someone tells you you have to do it immediately, you can’t do it. Like, “I was going to take the trash out, but now I can’t take the trash out because someone told me to take the trash out.” That’s a real thing. 

But man, if you’re listening and you’re like. “Okay, she’s going to tell me to do something, and I might not be able to do it,” I’m going to tell you. I’m going to tell you, and I’m going to tell you that you need to do it because it’s not just something you need to check off your list.

[00:36:30] I’m going to tell you to do it because it impacts all three systems. It impacts your spirit, it impacts your mind, it impacts your body. But you have to buy a Bible, and then you have to get in that Bible, and you have to read that Bible. It’s more important than your phone. 

[00:36:45] Imagine if your family said, “You’re just in your Bible all the time.” Imagine if your family said, “I never have your attention.” Imagine if people wrote blogs about how, you know, they write all these blogs and all the blogs, how old am I? They write all these posts on social media about how our phones are stealing our attention, and they’re stealing our time, and they’re doing all these things.

[00:37:06] Imagine if people had to write posts because those moms are just in their Bibles all the time. They’re just constantly flipping pages. They just can’t get enough. 

And I’m telling you this, if you actually began to believe that the Lord wanted to meet you as you read, not the idea of Him, not just knowledge that you’re gaining, but that the Lord promises that when you seek Him, you’ll find Him when you seek Him with your whole heart. 

[00:37:29] And when you seek Him in the pages of His Word, you hear His voice, and you learn His voice. And so we can rest our minds as we rest in the promise of what God said. But how are you going to know unless you read? How are you going to know unless you open those pages? How are you going to know unless you actually. get in there and figure out what it says?

So the Lord has an answer. The Lord has an answer for our spirits, which is His presence, and He has an answer for our bodies, which is to rest in His presence. And He has an answer for our minds, which is the Word of God and how it reveals His presence. 

[00:38:02] And I think a lot of this, Ashley and listener, I think a lot of this is the heart behind why we do what we do. Are you going to the Word of God? Are you reading the Bible because it’s what you have to do and you’re just checking it off? Or are you going because the Lord is going to meet you? 

[00:38:17] Are you sitting because you’re obligated to sit down and rest from all your busy work and rest even before the work is done? Or are you resting because you understand that the Lord is going to meet you and it’s going to actually bring healing to your body? 

Are you pursuing the Lord and His presence in your closet, in your car, wherever you are, because you think you should? Or are you doing it because you actually believe that the Creator wants to come close?

Ashley Opliger: [00:38:41] Yes. And I love that you started all of this with the fact that we are a spirit. Because a lot of times I feel like we feel exhausted, we feel tired, and so we assume, well, our body’s tired. We need rest. But it’s so much deeper than that. 

[00:39:03] I love, I think this quote is usually attributed to C. S. Lewis, but it’s, “You do not have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.” And just understanding, no, we are a soul. That is what God also knit in our mother’s womb is that, and I talked a lot about this in my book and as we’re talking about babies in Heaven, is that not only when God was creating our babies in our wombs was He knitting together tendons and organs and bones and skin, but He was also knitting the eternal part of us, our spirit that’s made in His image.

[00:39:31] And that’s incredibly important to understand that our body is just a tent or a shell, as you said. And so when we talk about rest, it’s so much more than physical rest. It’s soul rest because we’re all soul-tired at this point. And our soul and our spirit, that is what God created in us, and He’s the One that can care for our souls. He’s our Shepherd. 

[00:39:54] And so I just love that you talk about all of those aspects because I think we’re missing a lot when we don’t address the need for our souls, that our souls are tired and we can only find rest in Him. So thank you for that reminder. 

Becky Thompson: [00:40:08] Absolutely. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:40:09] And I also wanted to say, when you were talking about the practical side of walking fast and holding onto the steering wheel. I know for me, there were a couple of things that even my nutritionist, who’s been walking me through some of my physical healing, she was even saying like slowing down when I’m eating, like paying attention to chewing. 

[00:40:30] And I realized, “Oh wow. Yeah, I just eat really fast. I don’t even think about what I’m eating.” But there’s research and brain science even just about paying attention to chewing and slowing down. 

Also, I don’t know if you’ve ever noticed, like brushing your teeth, sometimes we’re just like [makes brushing sound], and like really hard, right? And I’m like, “Man, like the bristles are going bad and I’m probably messing my gums up,” because I sometimes live life like it’s an emergency.

[00:40:53] Because I’m in what you described as this dysregulated nervous system, where I feel the world’s unsafe. And so I go into what a lot of counselors and people would call hyper-vigilance, just feeling like I have to be on to protect myself from something else bad happening. 

And that’s what grief and trauma does to our brains, is we feel like, “Well, now we’ve lost our baby, and this is the worst thing that could happen to us. And so now what’s going to happen?”

[00:41:23] And we know the world’s unsafe and all of these things can happen. And so to try to protect ourselves, trauma in our nervous system, we go into fight, flight, or freeze. And that can be a very real response. And it’s hard to regulate the nervous system, and it takes very much a different approach of looking at body, mind, and soul.

Becky Thompson: [00:41:44] That’s so good. And it’s so true, and I think we often think that we can sort of push ourselves out of survival mode by ignoring it. Like, “I can have a dysregulated nervous system and function”, but we don’t realize that actual damage it’s doing to our own physical bodies. Our own health is being damaged as we don’t address this dysregulation.

[00:42:05] And so we don’t do any favors to ourselves by pretending we’re okay, or by just pushing through and expecting that time is going to heal all things. It doesn’t. Time helps the space around our grief increase. There’s more space around what was so close to us, that moment that’s so big in our lives. Our lives grow around that grief.

[00:42:31] But unless we deal with all of the hurt there that’s happened, unless we seek wise counsel, unless we take this to the Lord and ask Him to be the Healer, unless we pursue rest, resting in His presence, resting in Him, resting our minds in Him, our bodies in Him, our hearts in Him, man, there’s not enough space around that grief that lets that that wound stop sort of infecting everything else.

We have to bring it to the Lord at some point. At some point, you have to turn and fully look at it and invite the Lord into it. Ask Him to show you that moment through His perspective. 

I think I shared this in our first conversation, Ashley, but one of the things that brought the most healing to my heart right after Kaylin passed and went to be with Jesus was I asked the Lord where He was in my story.

[00:43:30] I went back through what I had experienced. I went back through the events that had just been like if I were to write down the day I found out that I was pregnant and the day that I found out that something was wrong, and I mean the whole timeline of it all, if I went back through the events and I prayed and I said, “Okay, where did You stand on this day, Lord? Where were You here?”

That has brought the most healing to my heart, was to invite the Lord to show me where He stood, from joy to grief to redemption. Like, “Where were You, Lord? How were You responding?”

[00:44:11] And you shared this earlier, Ashley, that sometimes we have an incorrect picture of where the Lord was in this. But for me, I know the details of what happened to me, but I know that the day that I found out I was pregnant, the Lord shared in my joy. And I can picture Him there, celebrating in that truth with me. And He rejoiced with me in the life and the promise. 

[00:44:34] And on the day that I began to show symptoms and signs that something was wrong, He held me close, and He told me that it would be okay, and I believed that He would, it would be okay. 

But I believed in that moment that okay only looked a certain way. I believed that okay didn’t look like she goes to be with Him, and I go through my life with the story and the testimony of His presence that holds me through grief.

[00:45:00] He was there in that moment when she slipped from my body. I saw the moment again, but I saw Him holding me so close in that space, His arms physically around me. 

[00:45:13] As I began to weep, I actually pictured Jesus weeping with me, sobbing over the brokenness of the world, because He is both the victor over all things and He is also the One who understands exactly what we’ve been through, exactly how we’re feeling. 

I think of how He lost His friend Lazarus, and He’s about to call Lazarus back from the dead. He’s about to see Lazarus standing in front of Him again, and yet He pauses in that moment to weep because of the weight of the brokenness of the world.

[00:45:49] He’s still God, and He’s weeping. He knows the end, and He’s still weeping. He carries the power to restore, and He’s still weeping. And I think that’s a gift for us is to see the Lord weeping in our stories with us sometimes, victorious and still weeping over it all, lamenting, holding us through it, able to comfort and able to understand our sadness.

[00:46:12] And then I saw Him help me learn how to praise again. He was with me when I began to sing out, “Love You, Lord, and I’ll lift my voice to worship You.” I watched Him take me back through this season. I looked for His presence in each moment.

[00:46:30] And for the mom who’s saying, like, “Where are You, Lord? Where were You, Lord? I feel unsafe. The world feels unsafe. I can’t trust any of it,” I shared that whole testimony to say this to you right now. I want you to ask Him, as the podcast ends, “Where are You right now in this moment?” 

And every time you feel like you have to hold it together, every time you feel like you need to rush, every time you feel like you need to press, I want you to ask Jesus to open the eyes of your heart to reveal to you where He’s standing in the room.

[00:47:07] And I’m telling you, your heart posture won’t just change. Your physical posture will change when you actually believe that Jesus is with you, it changes how you do every single hard or mundane or holy thing for the rest of your life, because you understand it’s not just the idea of Him, it’s His actual presence.

[00:47:29] You know, Ashley, before we started, you were sharing with me that you are having a few hard weeks coming up and the things that you’re having to do and the very, very hard things that you are facing right now. 

And I know that the listener, she has different hard things that she’s facing right now. And I’m picturing yours, Ashley, because we just had our conversation, and I know mine because I know my own story, and I don’t know the listener’s. 

[00:47:57] If she could see, if you could see Jesus, as you stand in every room that you’re about to stand in, speaking through you, speaking to you as you speak, holding you so close, giving you His supernatural peace, giving you His supernatural presence, it absolutely changes all of those things that you are facing, you specifically are facing.

And we can rest not because the work is removed from us, not because the pain is removed from us, not because the hard thing suddenly stops being hard. It might be hard. The grief might hurt. The suffering might feel like suffering. The heartache might feel like heartache.

[00:48:44] But if we can see the presence of the Lord Jesus with us, if we can go back to letting Him carry the burden of that situation with us by releasing it to Him and experiencing this joy of being one that needs Jesus, the joy of being one that gets to feel what it feels like to be held and lifted, and carried and pushed through, man, you will not ever have to go through today again, ever, listener, Ashley, Becky, 

You will never have to go through today again. His presence is sufficient for today, but the promise is that tomorrow His presence will be sufficient again. His presence for you and what you’re facing will be sufficient. 

And if you wake up again and you need more rest, if you wake up again and you need more peace, if you wake up again and you need more hope, if you wake up again and you need Him to calm your thoughts, if you wake up again and you have to surrender it all because you keep picking it back up, or there’s more for you to carry, then here is the promise.

[00:49:46] It doesn’t mean that He didn’t meet you today. It means that He promised to be daily bread tomorrow and the next day and the next day. He promises to be your portion. He promises to be everything that you need, and He will go with you, and He will go in front of you. And it is a gift to be one that is carried by Him.

[00:50:05] I love how you put this in your book, Ashley, on page 98, it says, “Bridget went from the safest place to the safest place. All she ever knew was my love and joy; what better life could she have?”

What better life could she have than to be perfectly held by the arms of Jesus? And what a gift it is, as moms who have lost children, to say that when I need the Lord the most, in those moments that I need to lean in and feel His arms, I can have the assurance that those same arms are holding me that hold my child, the same arms. 

“Bridget will never know what it feels like to have her heart broken. No one will lie to, betray, reject, or abandon her,” you write. “She will never experience anxiety or depression. She won’t be tempted to sin or suffer its unpleasant consequences. Bridget will never feel the weight of shame, guilt or regret. She will never deal with relational tension, health ailments, financial problems, work stress, or a host of other difficulties one could face in this life.” 

[00:51:20] The promise is that she will only ever know that love and that joy and that peace. And as much as you want that for your kids, mom, listener, as much as you want that for your kids to be happy and whole now, for your children that you hold in your arms now, for the people in your life, for your spouse, for your loved ones, for your friends to know the peace of God, to be happy and whole, to have all of their needs met, how much more does your Heavenly Father want that for you right now, today, want you to rest?

And that’s true. I’m sorry that the enemy has lied to you, and he has said that Jesus isn’t enough. I’m sorry that he told you that your physical safety was the most important thing, when in reality Jesus came because He told us the world wasn’t safe and that we would face trouble, but we could take heart because He overcame it. 

[00:52:18] And He didn’t just overcome it so that someday everything would be better. He overcame it so that He could hold us through all of the days leading up to it. What a gift to be one that needs to rest in the arms of Jesus.

Ashley Opliger: [00:52:32] Amen and amen. I love the reminder of the daily bread and just, I kept thinking, when we live knowing He is already covering our next day and our next day because He goes before us, He’s behind us, He’s for us, we can begin to anticipate and expect His peace, His love, His comfort, knowing come what may, He is going to be there to hold us because He loves us. 

[00:52:58] So, Becky, I just cannot thank you enough for the words that the Holy Spirit gave you today. I know you ministered to so many hearts because you ministered to mine deeply, and I just thank you for being a willing vessel to share what He puts on your heart, and to speak into women’s lives and to point people to the hope of Jesus. 

So thank you so much for being here today. I know you’ve already prayed for us, but we always love to end in prayer. Can you close us in prayer for the momma who’s listening who, she’s spent her time in the closet, and she says, “Yes, Lord, I need You. I want You. I want You to carry me through this grief,” will you pray for that moment as we close this episode?

Becky Thompson: [00:53:41] Absolutely. I’d be honored, Ashley, and I’d be honored, listener, to pray for you in this moment. 

[00:53:45] You know, podcasts, they go out to lots of people, and sometimes it’s like, “Oh, I don’t even know. Would anybody even know I was listening to it?” And I’m just so grateful that the Lord had you push play on this episode. I’m so grateful that you’re listening. I don’t know who else will hear this, but I’m glad that the Lord has met you here today, listener, and it’s my honor to pray for you. 

“So, Father, in the name of Your precious Son, Jesus, who suffered so that we can be sure that the One who holds us knows what we are experiencing, He knows loss, and He knows heartache, but He also knows the hope of eternity because He brought it. He is the Hope of eternity. 

Jesus is your hope. Jesus is the promise of your peace. Jesus is present in this moment with you right now. And my prayer for you, listener, is that you would run to His arms, you would give Him everything you’ve been carrying. 

So Father, in Jesus’ Name, I thank You that Jesus is the Hope of eternity. He’s the hope of today. He’s the hope of tomorrow. Father, I pray that You touch her heart right now where she is. And Lord, as You do, may Your perfect peace, may it just surround her like a warm blanket.

[00:55:01] May Your presence fill her now. May all of the tension in her body go. May her racing thoughts be silenced in Jesus’ Name. May she see Your face clearly in this moment, and may she look down and find that those things that she’s been gripping to so tightly, whether they’re ideas or it’s trauma, or it’s a memory or it’s a fear, Lord, may those things that she’s grasping so tightly, may she see that Your hands are carefully around her own. 

And Lord, the invitation in this moment is that You’re inviting her to just open her hands and slip those things into Your pierced hands, hands that still bear the marks of where You were on the cross, even in Your resurrected body, God.

May she slip those things into Your very capable hands, and may You replace that space in her heart right now with Your perfect love. May she feel Your love wrapping around her now. May she feel your peace filling her now. May she just fully surrender all of this to You, Lord Jesus, trusting that You have something so much better for her.

[00:56:15] Now, Lord, as she goes, I pray that she would sense Your presence going with her. This moment may be ending, but her time in Your presence will not end. Wrap Your arm around her. Go forward with her from here. Bring healing as only You can. We ask in the Name of Jesus. Amen. 

Ashley Opliger: [00:56:33] Amen. Thank you so much, Becky, for being here with us today.

Becky Thompson: [00:56:37] Absolutely. What an honor.

Ashley Opliger: [00:56:40]  Thank you for listening to the Cradled in Hope Podcast. We pray that you found hope and healing in today’s episode. 

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